• A Conversation with Kristin Antelman

    April 29, 2009

    Teapots In a Tempest by GaijinSeb / CC-BY-NC-ND

    Teapots In a Tem­pest by Gai­jin­Seb / CC-BY-NC-ND

    Only a few infor­ma­tion tech­nol­ogy orga­ni­za­tions pre­dict the future by invent­ing it.1 One of the canon­i­cal exam­ples is Xerox PARC, which in the early 1970’s pro­duced the first mouse, pio­neered Graph­i­cal User Inter­faces, invented Eth­er­net, and devel­oped the first laser printer, along with dozens of other inno­va­tions. Among con­tem­po­rary orga­ni­za­tions, the inher­i­tor of this lin­eage appears to be Google.

    The Grad­u­ate Library School at the Uni­ver­sity of Chicago dur­ing its early years is prob­a­bly the most widely accepted Xerox PARC ana­log within librar­i­an­ship. If libraries have a Google equiv­a­lent, a con­tem­po­rary orga­ni­za­tion that is both syn­the­siz­ing the best work in the field and shap­ing its future, it’s North Car­olina State Uni­ver­sity Libraries. Under Susan Nutter’s direc­tor­ship, NCSU Libraries became the first uni­ver­sity library to win the Asso­ci­a­tion of Col­lege and Research Libraries’ Excel­lence in Aca­d­e­mic Libraries Award and received the Amer­i­can Library Association’s Library of the Future award; Susan Nut­ter was Library Jour­nal’s Librar­ian of the Year in 2005; and it places some­one in LJ’s Movers & Shak­ers list pretty much every year. Observe NCSU Libraries from afar and you can’t help but be impressed. Study it up close, as I did two years ago this week, and you get a sense of what it must have been like to work at Xerox PARC or, I expect, what it’s like to work at Google.

    Two years ago, I was a library school stu­dent enrolled in Steven Bell’s Aca­d­e­mic Librar­i­an­ship course at Drexel Uni­ver­sity. The major assign­ment for the class was to con­duct a field report on a library, and Susan Nut­ter allowed me to spend a day inter­view­ing her man­age­ment team, mostly indi­vid­u­ally or in small groups. One of the major themes I noticed was how for­tu­nate they felt to work with each other. They believed they were work­ing more hours than their col­leagues at peer insti­tu­tions, but they also believed they were hav­ing more fun (in my expe­ri­ence, both beliefs seem to be accu­rate). As com­pli­men­tary as they were toward all of their col­leagues, when they began list­ing the col­leagues who they most admired, who drove them the hard­est, who made them feel like what they were doing was impor­tant – and just about every mem­ber of the man­age­ment team cited just about every­one else by name – inevitably they started that list with Kristin Antelman.

    The sense I got of Kristin, in part from our con­ver­sa­tion, but mostly from hear­ing her col­leagues talk about her, was cap­tured by Steve Yegge, a pro­gram­mer at Google, in a post enti­tled Done, and Get Things Smart:

    At first it’s entirely non-obvious who’s respon­si­ble for Google’s cul­ture of engi­neer­ing dis­ci­pline: the design docs, audited code reviews, early design reviews, read­abil­ity reviews, resist­ing intro­duc­tion of new lan­guages, unit test­ing and code cov­er­age, pro­fil­ing and per­for­mance test­ing, etc. You know. The whole gamut of processes and tools that qual­ity engi­neer­ing orga­ni­za­tions use to ensure that code is open, read­able, doc­u­mented, and gen­er­ally non-shoddy work.

    But if you keep an eye on the emails that go out to Google’s engi­neer­ing staff, over time a pat­tern emerges: there’s one super­heroic dude who’s keep­ing us all in line.“2

    The trait Kristin shares with Yegge’s coworker at Google is that she excels at under­stand­ing how deci­sions made today — or left unmade today — can impact the future. And she insists on look­ing at real­ity as it is and seems likely to be, not as peo­ple might wish for it to be. As NCSU’s Asso­ciate Direc­tor for the Dig­i­tal Library, one of her major ini­tia­tives over the past few years was to lead the group that first intro­duced faceted brows­ing to library cat­a­logs, using the Endeca soft­ware that was pre­vi­ously used only on com­mer­cial web­sites like Home Depot’s. After rolling out the cat­a­log at NCSU Libraries, she and her col­leagues worked with their peers in the Tri­an­gle Research Library Net­work to cre­ate an Endeca-powered union cat­a­log (in addi­tion to NCSU, the net­work com­prises the Uni­ver­sity of North Car­olina at Chapel Hill, Duke Uni­ver­sity, and North Car­olina Cen­tral Uni­ver­sity). In an arti­cle for the April 2009 issue of Col­lege & Research Libraries News she co-authored with TRLN’s Mona Couts, they empha­size the ambi­gu­ity inher­ent in the project:

    TRLN librar­i­ans were in agree­ment that our cat­a­logs were bad, and that what NCSU had in its Endeca cat­a­log was, if not the answer, at least an improve­ment. The harder chal­lenge is that the very con­cept of the cat­a­log is in tran­si­tion. Imple­ment­ing a “next-generation” cat­a­log doesn’t answer the ques­tion, what should a library cat­a­log be anymore?”

    When I learned that a group of Assistant/Associate Uni­ver­sity Librar­i­ans and Assistant/Associate Direc­tors (AUL/AD) in aca­d­e­mic libraries, known as the Taiga Forum, issued a series of provoca­tive state­ments on the future of libraries, it was no sur­prise to me that Kristin Antel­man was on the steer­ing com­mit­tee that helped cre­ate the doc­u­ment. And when I read the state­ments them­selves, I was sure I detected some of her ideas.

    Over the past few weeks, I had the good for­tune to inter­view Kristin about Taiga, the state­ments, and the future of libraries. Although dur­ing the course of our con­ver­sa­tion we chose not to dis­sect the Taiga Forum mem­bers’ cre­ation or dis­cus­sion of each state­ment indi­vid­u­ally,3 we encour­age you to use the com­ments sec­tion that fol­lows this arti­cle to share your thoughts on the state­ments them­selves as well as the other ideas Kristin shared.


    Why did you agree to join the Taiga Steer­ing Com­mit­tee and to mod­er­ate a ses­sion? What was it about Taiga that appealed to you?

    I got involved with orga­niz­ing Taiga 4 because I had attended the first three Taigas and found them to be great meet­ings. They were unlike any pro­fes­sional meet­ings I had been to; we spent a whole day talk­ing hon­estly about big and dif­fi­cult chal­lenges fac­ing aca­d­e­mic libraries. At the end of Taiga 3, I felt I wanted to have some input in how the next one was done.

    The Taiga meet­ings were con­ceived as a venue for peo­ple at the Asso­ciate Uni­ver­sity Librarian/Associate Direc­tor level in aca­d­e­mic libraries to get together and dis­cuss com­mon chal­lenges. We tend to have few peers in our home insti­tu­tions and, some­times, in smaller insti­tu­tions, none at all. The premise of Taiga was that, while direc­tors had venues to talk amongst them­selves, there was no such venue for admin­is­tra­tors below the level of direc­tor to talk frankly about issues across func­tional lines and with col­leagues from other institutions.

    The first year saw the devel­op­ment of ten provoca­tive state­ments. Those state­ments ended up serv­ing as the basis for lively con­ver­sa­tions not only at the first Taiga meet­ing itself, but in aca­d­e­mic libraries across the coun­try for years after­ward. I think they struck a chord because they dared to express fears and fore­bod­ings about our col­lec­tive future that many of us were feel­ing but that we may not have had the courage (at that time any­way) to speak freely about. Taigas 2 and 3, very suc­cess­fully in my opin­ion, employed the “open space” approach to participant-defined meet­ings. You could even say we were ahead of the curve on the “unconference.”

    The aspect of Taiga 4 that has received the most atten­tion was its revised “Provoca­tive State­ments” doc­u­ment. What was its purpose?

    For Taiga 4, which was held this past Jan­u­ary before ALA in Den­ver, the steer­ing group had the idea to revisit which (if any) of the orig­i­nal provoca­tive state­ments were still valid, and then to add to them. The new state­ments would be focused around the theme of this year’s meet­ing, “Orga­ni­za­tional Change: Pro­fes­sional Iden­tity and Per­sonal Com­mit­ment.” We asked the Taiga com­mu­nity for feed­back and took those responses into account when we wrote the new state­ments. As it hap­pened, we did not carry for­ward any of the orig­i­nal state­ments, but incor­po­rated a lot of the same themes in the new ones. The state­ments were writ­ten by a sub­group of the steer­ing com­mit­tee over sev­eral phone calls and wiki work. They were then com­mented on and edited by the full steer­ing com­mit­tee, and were dis­trib­uted to the peo­ple who signed up to attend the meeting.

    We then asked for vol­un­teers to do “light­ning talks” on the state­ments at the Taiga 4 meet­ing. Those talks were each fol­lowed by 10 or so min­utes of dis­cus­sion, which planted many seeds for con­ver­sa­tion for the rest of the day. At the end of the meet­ing, we reviewed how we felt about the state­ments. That recap resulted in minor changes, includ­ing delet­ing state­ment #3 (about the dom­i­nance of Google) as not very provocative.

    One of the mis­con­cep­tions about the state­ments has been that the Taiga meet­ing par­tic­i­pants believe that these things will hap­pen, or, more inter­est­ingly, should hap­pen. Actu­ally, their pur­pose is largely rhetor­i­cal. We hoped the state­ments would inspire con­ver­sa­tion — and resistance! — at our meet­ing. We very inten­tion­ally meant to say that we feel that research libraries are fac­ing seri­ous chal­lenges to core areas of what we do and that we want to talk about these chal­lenges with­out pre­sum­ing any answers. I would also add (and here I’m speak­ing for myself and not the group) that I think the state­ments also explic­itly con­front super­fi­cial opti­mism about how aca­d­e­mic libraries — and librar­i­ans — will tran­si­tion into new roles.

    The sub­text of many of the state­ments is the as-yet-unknown impact of a poten­tially pro­longed period of tough bud­get times, which was just becom­ing evi­dent when these were writ­ten. How libraries build col­lec­tions and are staffed now is a prod­uct of many decades of pretty robust growth. It remains to be seen what path libraries will take when bud­gets are shrink­ing, but ideas like real­iz­ing we can­not sup­port a hybrid print/electronic model indef­i­nitely, or can­not con­tinue to work around under­per­form­ing employ­ees, are a cou­ple responses to these pres­sures that we explored.

    Are the reac­tions you’ve seen — the ones that respond to the con­tent rather than the con­text — in any way sat­is­fy­ing, even if their writ­ers appear to be dis­mis­sive of the ideas expressed within the state­ments? Do these librar­i­ans’ strong reac­tions mean the state­ments are doing what they’re sup­posed to do?

    Any reac­tion means the state­ments have had an impact. Response to the state­ments’ con­tent and their con­text have been quite inter­twined, how­ever. Hav­ing made the deci­sion to send the state­ments out into the world, we made a mis­take in dis­trib­ut­ing them in a sta­tic way, with a lack of trans­parency about their con­text (who did this? what was the pur­pose?). We were rightly crit­i­cized for that.4

    Appar­ently, the Darien State­ments might be a response to Taiga, although they don’t claim that.5 Aside from being both being list-like and appear­ing around the same time, I don’t see too many com­mon­al­i­ties. Except, that is, in the sec­tion called “as librar­i­ans, we must…”, where the Darien State­ments have quite a bit in com­mon with the spirit of Taiga, includ­ing their own expres­sion of some of the points made in the provoca­tive statements.

    One aspect of the responses that does con­cern me is that there seems to be a per­va­sive, and enthu­si­as­ti­cally embraced, gap of trust with admin­is­tra­tors. While maybe that’s just some­thing that always has been and always will be, it con­cerns me because these divi­sions weaken us. Those of us who are cur­rently AULs or ADs are not MBA-types dropped into libraries; we have spent most of our careers work­ing in var­i­ous non-administrative librar­ian jobs. In fact, my impres­sion is that a sig­nif­i­cant num­ber of AUL/ADs attend Taiga soon after arriv­ing in their positions.

    Another crit­i­cism I’ve seen is that we’re too neg­a­tive, that we don’t pro­pose answers. It’s worth not­ing that, while most of the state­ments them­selves don’t pro­pose answers, the dis­cus­sion at the meet­ing did very much address answers. How libraries address the chal­lenges fac­ing us often gets back to orga­ni­za­tional cul­ture. Acknowl­edg­ing the need, and then adjust­ing what we do and who does it, some­times in sig­nif­i­cant ways, is not an easy task for any of us, whether you are a front-line library worker, a man­ager, or an admin­is­tra­tor. A cou­ple col­leagues and I have been work­ing on a project to find out more about what future library lead­ers are think­ing. This dove­tailed with the Taiga 4 theme, so we pre­pared a lit­tle video of inter­views with some of these librar­i­ans that we showed at the begin­ning of the meeting.

    Will there be a Taiga 5?

    Since Taiga is not a for­mal orga­ni­za­tion, we see where it takes us year to year. Thanks to the con­tin­ued gen­eros­ity of our spon­sors, Inno­v­a­tive Inter­faces and R2 Con­sult­ing, a Taiga 5 meet­ing will be pos­si­ble, but what form it will take remains to be seen.

    Time for some non-Taiga ques­tions. What do you think library schools should be empha­siz­ing? Requir­ing? Or, put another way, what are the abil­i­ties you con­sider most impor­tant in poten­tial NCSU Fel­lows?

    Library school pro­grams are becom­ing increas­ingly dif­fer­en­ti­ated it seems to me; and they have to in order to sur­vive. Dis­tance edu­ca­tion will make it pos­si­ble for prospec­tive stu­dents to find the pro­gram that best meets their needs. These are both pos­i­tive devel­op­ments. I think that intern­ships are even more crit­i­cal than ever. Every recent MLS we hire tells us that they learned more in those expe­ri­ences than they did from their edu­ca­tional pro­gram. Sep­a­rat­ing the Mas­ters course­work from learn­ing library prac­tice would also help address the theory/practice iden­tity cri­sis char­ac­ter­is­tic of MLS programs.

    In terms of skills, I like to see librar­i­ans who have the abil­ity to think through prob­lems in a sys­tem­atic way, who can learn inde­pen­dently, who are fear­less and enthu­si­as­tic about tech­nol­ogy. It’s crit­i­cal that they be able to com­mu­ni­cate effec­tively, includ­ing in writ­ing, and that they show lead­er­ship qual­i­ties. They should be focused on the big pic­ture and be pointed toward the future, think­ing about what libraries are for, not what we do, because what we do is chang­ing very quickly. I’m very encour­aged by the grad­u­ates I’ve seen in recent years. The appli­cants to our Fel­lows pro­gram just seem to get stronger every year.

    What are the most use­ful things ALA can do for us as a profession?

    I think ALA is most effec­tive when it works as an advo­cate for pub­lic libraries, pro­mot­ing the con­tri­bu­tion that pub­lic libraries make to com­mu­ni­ties across the coun­try. Our pub­lic libraries are a tremen­dous achieve­ment of this soci­ety, really unique in the world, and yet one that we can­not take for granted will always be there, espe­cially as local gov­ern­ments are hard hit economically.

    ALA and its divi­sions also serve as a valu­able pro­fes­sional devel­op­ment oppor­tu­nity, where peo­ple can find lead­er­ship and other oppor­tu­ni­ties even if their jobs do not offer them the chance to develop in that way.

    Are there any other pro­fes­sional asso­ci­a­tions or con­sor­tia that are more impor­tant to you than ALA?

    Actu­ally, ALA is pretty impor­tant to me. LITA is my pri­mary home in ALA, and I try to stay involved with LITA com­mit­tees, etc.

    Closer to home, the Tri­an­gle Research Libraries Net­work is an impor­tant pro­fes­sional con­nec­tion. TRLN is very active both in devel­op­ing shared ser­vices and spon­sor­ing infor­ma­tion shar­ing and pro­fes­sional devel­op­ment events for staff at the TRLN libraries.

    The Dig­i­tal Library Fed­er­a­tion (recently folded into CLIR) and the Coali­tion for Net­worked Infor­ma­tion have been impor­tant asso­ci­a­tions for me as well. Both orga­ni­za­tions hold semi-annual meet­ings where mem­bers can share ongo­ing work.

    What data do you wish you had avail­able to you in fig­ur­ing out how well the library is meet­ing its constituency’s needs?

    Data about fast-changing areas, such as dis­cov­ery, would be use­ful to have. I’m con­cerned that we under­stand only in a sketchy way how our dif­fer­ent users are find­ing the infor­ma­tion they need, and where and when that leads them to library col­lec­tions or to library-provided tools.

    Two or three years from now, what will be the min­i­mum require­ments for a really good library website/catalog? What will its users expect it to be able to do?

    I antic­i­pate users will expect to have to inter­act with the library web­site or cat­a­log much less, or hardly ever at all — which, I note, is hardly a provoca­tive state­ment! The library web­site will con­tinue to lead our users to infor­ma­tion about our spaces and ser­vices, but our goal should be to make its foot­print as min­i­mal as pos­si­ble in our users’ lives. The resources they can get to by virtue of their insti­tu­tional affil­i­a­tion should be seam­lessly link­able from course sites and search engines. For this to hap­pen, link­ing tech­nolo­gies, like OpenURL, will have to work even bet­ter than they do now. But we also will have to make this vision a pri­or­ity — from nego­ti­a­tions with infor­ma­tion providers to how we make local invest­ments of our staff time and devel­op­ment resources.

    Do you fore­see any­thing chang­ing the dynamic between libraries and infor­ma­tion providers?

    One frus­tra­tion for me is that we have not had much suc­cess in buying/licensing just data; providers will only offer data in the con­text of their prod­ucts, their inter­faces. Had libraries been able to buy meta­data for schol­arly arti­cles, for instance, we could have con­ceiv­ably devel­oped rea­son­able metasearch solu­tions. But that time is passed, now, with Google Scholar. Good data to sup­port ref­er­ence link­ing ser­vices is still hard to get, and it hurts our ser­vices. Qual­ity meta­data to drive OpenURL-based ser­vices for ebooks is also an area where the infor­ma­tion ecosys­tem has a ways to go. Ebooks them­selves have all kinds of plat­form restric­tions that cre­ate chal­lenges for libraries. But whether libraries have now, or will ever have, the lever­age to get access to more open con­tent is debat­able. As the mar­ket con­sol­i­dates around Google and a hand­ful of major pub­lish­ers, we will likely increas­ingly be at their mercy, in terms of APIs into their con­tent and ser­vices. Even if that’s the case, though, there’s much that can be done with those tools; I think libraries by and large under­uti­lize those oppor­tu­ni­ties to develop inte­grated ser­vices that are already made avail­able to us.

    What could we be doing to bet­ter uti­lize the avail­able tools?

    Just look­ing at the cat­a­log, there’s no rea­son that any library should be run­ning a last-generation ILS OPAC inter­face. There are open source and rel­a­tively low-cost com­mer­cial options that can give your library a cur­rent, faceted inter­face with good rel­e­vancy in key­word search­ing. There are also a range of APIs from Google, OCLC, Library­Thing, etc. that should be employed to make search­ing the cat­a­log a richer expe­ri­ence, bet­ter inte­grated with the larger infor­ma­tion environment.

    Is there any­thing we could do to that would keep us from being at the mercy of Google and the major publishers?

    I’m much more con­cerned about being at the mercy of pub­lish­ers than Google. Google has advanced access to infor­ma­tion world­wide far more than libraries ever could dream of doing; where they encroach on our area they are chang­ing the par­a­digm for the bet­ter (for exam­ple, full text-based rather than metadata-based dis­cov­ery of books).

    Schol­arly pub­lish­ers, oper­at­ing in an increas­ingly con­sol­i­dated mar­ket, will con­tinue to raise prices beyond infla­tion and restrict libraries through com­plex big deal licenses. They do have us at their mercy. Open access may be the even­tual solu­tion (and I think it is) but, in the interim, the detri­men­tal impacts of their dom­i­nance (smaller mar­ket for mono­graphs, for instance) will con­tinue to be sig­nif­i­cant. One thing libraries can do — and many have done — is never again enter into big deals, where flex­i­bil­ity is traded for cost sav­ings. Another thing libraries can do is to be less fix­ated on col­lect­ing for pos­ter­ity. Schol­arly work is increas­ingly pre­served beyond our walls: a sig­nif­i­cant per­cent­age of the best arti­cles are already openly avail­able on the web (and this seg­ment is grow­ing), while another sig­nif­i­cant per­cent­age is made openly avail­able by pub­lish­ers after an embargo period. Libraries, col­lec­tively, will have to be less dog­matic about licens­ing (and repli­cat­ing) com­plete and offi­cial ver­sions of the STM (scientific/technical/medical) lit­er­a­ture. At risk are two dimen­sions of our mis­sion that have his­tor­i­cally (and jus­ti­fi­ably) defined us as research libraries: devel­op­ing col­lec­tions of sig­nif­i­cant breadth to meet the needs of all our con­stituents and main­tain­ing the capac­ity to invest in new services.

    If a large library had to make big cuts, what are the first expenses that should go? What are the programs/positions, etc. it should absolutely protect?

    This is very much a local deci­sion and depends on where the library has already had to cut back and where its strengths lie. While down­siz­ing is an oppor­tu­nity to be strate­gic about posi­tion­ing our orga­ni­za­tions for the future, I don’t think we’re yet in a cli­mate where our par­ent insti­tu­tions will tol­er­ate unbal­anced cuts, i.e., cuts that too dis­pro­por­tion­ately affect either col­lec­tions or ser­vices. One of the provoca­tive state­ments (or per­haps two) addresses the need to reduce spec­u­la­tive spend­ing;6 I think that will have to come to pass, and sooner rather than later. I also think we’ll have to get out of the local cat­a­log busi­ness within a cou­ple years, and that has sig­nif­i­cant impli­ca­tions for our tech­ni­cal ser­vices staff. Dig­i­tal library devel­op­ment is still starved in most insti­tu­tions, result­ing in the poor dis­cov­ery tools and web­sites that we see now. How each library faces these chal­lenges, both the process they take and the out­come, will reveal much about the char­ac­ter of an orga­ni­za­tion and its lead­er­ship. I also see that libraries will have to focus some­what less on serv­ing the broader library com­mu­nity and com­mu­nity of future schol­ars, and much more on their mis­sion within their own organization.

    For libraries with lim­ited resources, there’s often a ten­sion between serv­ing the broader schol­arly com­mu­nity and meet­ing local needs. How do you see this play­ing out?

    This ques­tion gets at what I think is a big chal­lenge for us. Our spe­cial col­lec­tions may be where we are unique, and can make the great­est con­tri­bu­tion to the cul­tural her­itage com­mu­nity at large, but they will never be where we will make the great­est con­tri­bu­tion locally. And the path for­ward (dig­i­ti­za­tion) is expen­sive. So the ques­tion arises, why would — or should — our uni­ver­si­ties fund that work? One of the Taiga state­ments men­tioned that these efforts would be pri­vately funded, and I think that will have to be the case, although this will result in orga­ni­za­tional inef­fi­cien­cies and rel­a­tively slow progress overall.

    But spe­cial col­lec­tions are not the future for most aca­d­e­mic libraries. The future that we all share is becom­ing much bet­ter inte­grated into cam­pus life, and closer to teach­ing and learn­ing (there’s a Taiga state­ment about that, too, the “blended librar­ian” idea).

    Let’s fin­ish on a pos­i­tive note. What have been some of your most pleas­ant sur­prises over the last five years? What’s hap­pened for you pro­fes­sion­ally, for NCSU Libraries, or for the pro­fes­sion as a whole that’s far exceeded your expectations?

    As far as NCSU Libraries goes, the biggest sur­prise has been that the state leg­is­la­ture funded a new library for NC State Uni­ver­sity. The $126 mil­lion library, the James B. Hunt Jr. Library, is cur­rently com­plet­ing the design phase and is sched­uled to open in 2012. Librar­i­ans who have lived through retro­fits and add-ons to exist­ing build­ings know how con­strain­ing that can be in terms of cre­at­ing new spaces for users. The oppor­tu­nity to par­tic­i­pate in the design of new learn­ing, col­lab­o­ra­tive, and research spaces, rich in tech­nol­ogy and good design, has been a huge thrill for me. If we do this right, it will serve as a model for what an aca­d­e­mic library can be going forward.

    In terms of the pro­fes­sion as a whole, I would return to the topic of the new grad­u­ates that our library schools are pro­duc­ing. I would say that, with­out ques­tion, the grad­u­ates of the last five years are more well-rounded, smarter, and bet­ter pre­pared to make imme­di­ate con­tri­bu­tions than at any time since I’ve been a librar­ian. These peo­ple are, by def­i­n­i­tion, our future. It’s up to us to give them the tools they need and the lat­i­tude to real­ize their poten­tial within our orga­ni­za­tions. If we can do that, libraries will have a bright future.

    Thanks to Kristin Antel­man for her thought­ful responses and her gen­eros­ity, and to Stephanie Atkins, Beth Pick­nally Cam­den, Claire Stew­art, and Hilary Davis for their help­ful com­ments on ear­lier drafts of this arti­cle.

    You might also be inter­ested in:

    1. The full quote by Alan Kay: “Don’t worry about what any­body else is going to do… The best way to pre­dict the future is to invent it. Really smart peo­ple with rea­son­able fund­ing can do just about any­thing that doesn’t vio­late too many of Newton’s Laws!” He said it dur­ing an early meet­ing of PARC mem­bers and Xerox plan­ners. []
    2. Yegge writes later in the essay: “Inci­den­tally, they hired plenty of other bril­liant seed engi­neers who were equally respon­si­ble for Google’s great tech­ni­cal infra­struc­ture. I’m just using this one guy as an illus­tra­tive exam­ple.” I’m doing the same. A lot of peo­ple are respon­si­ble for mak­ing NCSU, in my opin­ion, the best library in exis­tence. But I got the sense, from my con­ver­sa­tions that day, that they cred­ited Kristin with keep­ing them all in line. []
    3. As Kristin noted, “I’m uncom­fort­able speak­ing for the group in that way, i.e., inter­pret­ing the mean­ing behind the state­ments or char­ac­ter­iz­ing the dis­cus­sions of the day (I couldn’t even accu­rately recall such, even if we didn’t tell peo­ple they were con­fi­den­tial).” I think this makes a great deal of sense, espe­cially once you under­stand how Taiga works and the rea­son the state­ments were drafted. []
    4. Some of the writ­ers who have been involved in the con­ver­sa­tion inspired by the 2009 provoca­tive state­ments include: Steven Bell (ACR­Log); John Dupuis (Con­fes­sions of a Sci­ence Librar­ian); Mered­ith Farkas (Infor­ma­tion Wants To Be Free); Steve Law­son (See Also…); Dorothea Salo (Caveat Lec­tor); and Roy Ten­nant (Library Jour­nal Dig­i­tal Libraries). []
    5. The offi­cial ver­sion of the Darien State­ments on the Library and Librar­i­ans is hosted at John Blyberg’s bly​berg​.net. For more on the Darien State­ments, see posts by Cindi Trainor at Citegeist and Kathryn Green­hill at Librar­i­ans Mat­ter. []
    6. State­ments 2 and 7, which read as follows:

      2. In five years col­lec­tion devel­op­ment as we now know it will cease to exist as selec­tion of library mate­ri­als will be entirely patron-initiated. Own­er­ship of mate­ri­als will be lim­ited to what is actively used. The only col­lec­tion devel­op­ment activ­i­ties involv­ing librar­i­ans will be com­pe­ti­tion over spe­cial col­lec­tions and archives.

      7. In five years libraries will have aban­doned the hybrid model to focus exclu­sively on elec­tronic col­lec­tions, with lim­ited invest­ments in man­ag­ing shared print archives. Local unique col­lec­tions will be funded only by donor contributions.

      []

7 Comments

  • Steve Lawson says:

    Thanks for this very inter­est­ing (should I say “provoca­tive?”) interview.

    I wanted to respond to the idea that some of the neg­a­tive response to the Taiga state­ments comes from a gen­eral dis­trust or dis­like of library admin­is­tra­tors. I’m not sure I see that, even in the admit­tedly harsh or hos­tile state­ments from John Dupuis, Dorothea Salo, and myself. (It might be worth point­ing out that John Bly­berg, one of the authors of the Darien State­ments, is him­self an AD, though of a pub­lic library. While there have cer­tainly been some neg­a­tive reac­tions to the Darien state­ments, I don’t think they have directed at Blyberg’s job title.)

    I think the response is to the con­tent of the state­ments and to the lack of con­text and trans­parency that Antel­man acknowl­edges to be a prob­lem. The Taiga par­tic­i­pants appar­ently had a very lively, open dis­cus­sion with each other, but it so far it has seemed like they aren’t really all that inter­ested in hav­ing such an exchange about the state­ments with the out­side world (with the notable excep­tion of Steven Bell).

    When peo­ple are “provoca­tive” on the inter­net with­out engag­ing with their audi­ence in good faith, we call that “trolling.” This inter­view is very dif­fer­ent, with Antel­man pro­vid­ing con­text, opin­ions, ques­tions and answers of her own. I’d rather read ten such reveal­ing inter­views with ADs or AULs than read ten more provoca­tive statements.

  • Derik Badman says:

    I’d haz­ard a guess that some of the response might be a com­bi­na­tion of the lack of context/transparency and the ori­gin of the state­ments from library admin­is­tra­tors. As has been noted in some other posts on the state­ments, there is a “smoke-filled room” aspect to the doc­u­ment that be too anal­o­gous to rela­tion­ships between admin­is­tra­tors and the “rank and file” librarians.

    This type of pub­lished con­ver­sa­tion with one of those admin­is­tra­tors is/would-be a much more effec­tive way to be provoca­tive and engage dis­cus­sion. Kristin’s state­ments cer­tainly add con­text to some of the Taiga statements.

  • thorn says:

    this inter­view, and the taiga 4 ‘provoca­tive state­ments’ raise some larger ques­tions in my mind.

    - higher edu­ca­tion as a whole is chang­ing, too. how will libraries and higher ed as a whole affect each other?

    - who will have access to all of this infor­ma­tion? in the past and present, the qual­ity of library resources and access has been, and is a ‘sell­ing’ point for each insti­tu­tion to attract the highest-quality stu­dents, grad­u­ate stu­dents and fac­ulty. in the future, will that con­tinue to be ‘siloed’ as it is now?

    - what is to become of indi­vid­u­als’ access to cur­rent infor­ma­tion to keep their knowl­edge and skills up to date once they’re ‘out in the world’, given that only a small minor­ity of uni­ver­sity grad­u­ates end up work­ing in acad­e­mia? will this improve over time, remain much as it is, or will it get worse? and, given that fail­ing to remain informed is the surest path to rapid obso­les­cence of the human resource, what about use?

    just think­ing.

  • Kim Leeder says:

    To bring up some­thing a lit­tle dif­fer­ent from the post, I’m inter­ested in explor­ing the “gap of trust” in admin­is­tra­tors Kristin men­tions. One the­ory on the mat­ter is that the shift from librar­ian to admin­is­tra­tor is akin to the shift from library school stu­dent to librar­ian, or from grad stu­dent to pro­fes­sor, in that the prepa­ra­tion is woe­fully unequal to the task! Where our lead­ers stum­ble, I think, is in lack of man­age­ment train­ing, not a lack of good inten­tions. And where libraries dif­fer from other aca­d­e­mic units is that (in most places) we are not empow­ered to select our lead­ers. A lack of involve­ment in the process of hir­ing our admin­is­tra­tors trans­lates as a lack of invest­ment in the result. Then, above all, it is much eas­ier to crit­i­cize than to take the time to understand.

  • DaleA says:

    Quot­ing Antel­man: “…link­ing tech­nolo­gies, like OpenURL, will have to work even bet­ter than they do now.” Can’t agree more with this state­ment. The great­est prob­lem in this area is not the tech­nol­ogy, how­ever, but our lack of human invest­ment in the tech­nol­ogy. Most libraries woe­fully under­staff their link resolvers, and think that by licens­ing some ven­dor KB that it can be man­aged in a few hours per week. As she notes later, dig­i­tal library devel­op­ment is gen­er­ally starved, and this is one of its key man­i­fes­ta­tions in the realm of direct user services.

    Going beyond this issue, there’s also the issue that a fair per­cent­age of aca­d­e­mic librar­i­ans (yes, even those fresh from library school) couldn’t explain how a link resolver works nor con­tribute in any use­ful way to its main­te­nance, even if their con­tri­bu­tion were only occa­sional feed­back informed by just a bit of knowl­edge and understanding.

  • Derik Badman says:

    Kim: That’s a great point about admin­is­tra­tion and train­ing. I’d be curi­ous to see some kind of data on admin­is­tra­tors, train­ing, and the cri­te­ria for which they were cho­sen for their posi­tion. Obvi­ously, not the kind of data one could get.

    But I won­der if admin­is­tra­tors are often cho­sen for a) pre­vi­ous admin­is­tra­tive expe­ri­ence and b) performance/accomplishments at non-administrative level, with b pre­ced­ing a in a career path.

    I would sus­pect there is a per­ceived cor­re­la­tion in minds between per­for­mance at a non-admin job and poten­tial for an admin job (i.e. I’m do great as a ref­er­ence librar­ian so I should do great as an admin­is­tra­tive librar­ian). A cor­re­la­tion that is, prob­a­bly, often, not nec­es­sar­ily true.

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